Ugg
Mar 12, 07:06 PM
In a free and prosperous market, business exists and is done solely because it is profitable. When it ceases being profitable, it must be stopped. To keep pouring 100 units of money into something for the sake of getting 10 units of money out via payroll can only end in one thing....failure. (I'm using 'units of money' as a general example)
One of the greatest travesties of our time is that too many people think that economics is a scientific endeavor rather than a branch of sociology.
Believe it or not, some businesses, especially those that are family owned, exist solely to provide social welfare.
One of the greatest travesties of our time is that too many people think that economics is a scientific endeavor rather than a branch of sociology.
Believe it or not, some businesses, especially those that are family owned, exist solely to provide social welfare.
slinger1968
Sep 1, 03:51 AM
Mac users pay... $129! Windows users pay... $399! Which is cheaper?Your little scenario is completely unrealistic. I know you want to throw that big $399 number around to try and prove your point, but please stop, it's pointless.
Someone upgrading from XP to Vista will either buy the upgrade version of Vista or if they are smart they will buy the full version oem. Your reasonable max amount to upgrade to Vista Ultimate is $259.00 and that's the MSRP (it wont stay $259). Plus you are assuming everyone is going to upgrade to ultimate, I know you don't want to mention that many people will uprgrade to home basic which is cheaper than OSX.
An oem full install of Vista ultimate will be under $200 based on the retail to oem pricing of all of Microsoft's OS's since win95. I expect an oem of Vista Ultimate will be about $180 at Newegg within 6 months to a year of it's release.
Retail box sales of windows is a tiny tiny fraction of the total sales of windows. It just makes those that continue to bring it up look silly because you don't understand the PC market. I've used PCs for over 20 years and have never known anyone who's purchased a full retail version of windows. I've used apple comps for over 25 years now too.
People need to stop with the "OMG windows is $400" talk. It's just silly.
Someone upgrading from XP to Vista will either buy the upgrade version of Vista or if they are smart they will buy the full version oem. Your reasonable max amount to upgrade to Vista Ultimate is $259.00 and that's the MSRP (it wont stay $259). Plus you are assuming everyone is going to upgrade to ultimate, I know you don't want to mention that many people will uprgrade to home basic which is cheaper than OSX.
An oem full install of Vista ultimate will be under $200 based on the retail to oem pricing of all of Microsoft's OS's since win95. I expect an oem of Vista Ultimate will be about $180 at Newegg within 6 months to a year of it's release.
Retail box sales of windows is a tiny tiny fraction of the total sales of windows. It just makes those that continue to bring it up look silly because you don't understand the PC market. I've used PCs for over 20 years and have never known anyone who's purchased a full retail version of windows. I've used apple comps for over 25 years now too.
People need to stop with the "OMG windows is $400" talk. It's just silly.
bigandy
Aug 29, 09:55 AM
Run on a G3? How well. I use to have problems with the speed of Panther on my G4 iMac.
Tiger seems to run better than Panther on the G3 iMacs I have at home.
One is a 400mhz G3 with 320mb RAM and it runs fine with Tiger.
But, I have noticed Tiger runs crud� on one of my friends 800mhz G4 iMacs.
How odd. :rolleyes:
The cost of Vista is very comparible to XP (especially at launch). But it is too much for a new verison of Windows. Especially since every reason to upgrade has been stripped out and slated to arrive in a "service pack" sometime later "this decade".
Tiger seems to run better than Panther on the G3 iMacs I have at home.
One is a 400mhz G3 with 320mb RAM and it runs fine with Tiger.
But, I have noticed Tiger runs crud� on one of my friends 800mhz G4 iMacs.
How odd. :rolleyes:
The cost of Vista is very comparible to XP (especially at launch). But it is too much for a new verison of Windows. Especially since every reason to upgrade has been stripped out and slated to arrive in a "service pack" sometime later "this decade".
Pallish
Sep 4, 08:03 AM
What exactly do you mean by that?
Return the old (unopened) iPod and get a new one instead.
Return the old (unopened) iPod and get a new one instead.
Keleko
Mar 9, 07:50 AM
There's a whole flock of these "flying" across the museum atrium.
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5215/5484205210_2b9fb3f0f7_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/22077805@N07/5484205210/)
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5215/5484205210_2b9fb3f0f7_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/22077805@N07/5484205210/)
SteveLV702
May 5, 11:29 AM
for all those people talking about the updates, your monthly data cap and overages... I'm pretty darn sure the Over-the-Air updates would be free and not count against your monthly cap...
probably why they are in talks with verizon.... because otherwise why would verizon care they would be all gun ho for it cause they would get a ton of extra overage money...
probably why they are in talks with verizon.... because otherwise why would verizon care they would be all gun ho for it cause they would get a ton of extra overage money...
iStudentUK
Apr 8, 05:04 PM
without an accurate understanding of who God is and our relationship to him these good works become nothing but acts of vanity and self glorification that serve only to advance pride and promote self-reliance.
Clearly, I don't understand our relationship with God as I don't believe there is one. I object to the notion that good deeds I do are due to vanity, pride etc.
Even if God appeared in my living room and started telling me what He thought is right or wrong I would still measure that against my own moral standard. I wouldn't adjust my own views to fit His. Some Christians find homosexuality to be wrong because the Bible, and therefore God, says so (I'm not suggesting that is what the Bible says, but that is certainly what some Christians think the Bible says). I always say- so what? I don't care if God is real and is anti-homosexual, I am not. I don't care if God says I am tainted by sin, I think I do a good job knowing right from wrong without His help.
Clearly, I don't understand our relationship with God as I don't believe there is one. I object to the notion that good deeds I do are due to vanity, pride etc.
Even if God appeared in my living room and started telling me what He thought is right or wrong I would still measure that against my own moral standard. I wouldn't adjust my own views to fit His. Some Christians find homosexuality to be wrong because the Bible, and therefore God, says so (I'm not suggesting that is what the Bible says, but that is certainly what some Christians think the Bible says). I always say- so what? I don't care if God is real and is anti-homosexual, I am not. I don't care if God says I am tainted by sin, I think I do a good job knowing right from wrong without His help.
franswa za
May 5, 04:21 AM
Damn!!!!!!!!! I just bought an Ipad 2!
3D is controversial, personally i think it's not for me (as yet), as some posters noted, kiddies, mommies and gamers? would LOVE it
got my first ipad2D last week, in white....... it is bloody well FINE
enjoy your's 2 or buy every iteration as they appear
3D is controversial, personally i think it's not for me (as yet), as some posters noted, kiddies, mommies and gamers? would LOVE it
got my first ipad2D last week, in white....... it is bloody well FINE
enjoy your's 2 or buy every iteration as they appear
pindkaas
Nov 8, 06:26 AM
ok the US store was last to go down. but which one goes up first with the new update? :D
I'd put my money on the US Store ;) I'm checking the Dutch and the US storen every 10 secs. Haha.. Too bad i've got to go in 10 minutes.
I'd put my money on the US Store ;) I'm checking the Dutch and the US storen every 10 secs. Haha.. Too bad i've got to go in 10 minutes.
Celtic-moniker
Apr 2, 07:18 AM
Wirelessly posted (MAUI_WAP_Browser)
Yeah, bring on Carl Zeiss. Those lenses work majic even on dedicated cams.
Several Nokias have Zeiss lenses.
And while we're at it, Nokia has a 12mp camera phone already.
It's the photographer, not the equipment, that makes a great photo.
Yeah, bring on Carl Zeiss. Those lenses work majic even on dedicated cams.
Several Nokias have Zeiss lenses.
And while we're at it, Nokia has a 12mp camera phone already.
It's the photographer, not the equipment, that makes a great photo.
gelinasbrian
Oct 17, 05:32 PM
Hows the magic trackpad working for ya? you use it more than the Magic Mouse?
The Magic Trackpad rules. Love it. Don't even use the mouse. It seems like you have to move the mouse so far to get it across the screen and with the Magic Trackpad its just gets you around the screen faster.
The Magic Trackpad rules. Love it. Don't even use the mouse. It seems like you have to move the mouse so far to get it across the screen and with the Magic Trackpad its just gets you around the screen faster.
Hisdem
Oct 15, 08:25 AM
Nice setup, and iMac! What did you do with the Cinema Display?
BTW Your iMac has an ATI GPU, not nVidia ;)
BTW Your iMac has an ATI GPU, not nVidia ;)
zero2dash
Aug 29, 04:11 PM
Pardon me for not reading all six pages, but can anyone describe (generally) the 47 different versions of Windows upcoming?
Will Basic only play minesweeper? What does it *not* do that Ultimate-Double-Secret-Robot-Super-Monkey-Force-Go! edition does?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Vista#Editions_and_pricing
Editions and pricing
On February 26, Microsoft announced that Windows Vista will ship in six editions.[40] All versions will be available in both 32-bit (x86) and 64-bit (x86-64) architectures, except Windows Vista Starter which will only be available for 32-bit architectures. A partial table of the features planned for each edition is also available at Paul Thurrott's SuperSite for Windows[41].
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Will Basic only play minesweeper? What does it *not* do that Ultimate-Double-Secret-Robot-Super-Monkey-Force-Go! edition does?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Vista#Editions_and_pricing
Editions and pricing
On February 26, Microsoft announced that Windows Vista will ship in six editions.[40] All versions will be available in both 32-bit (x86) and 64-bit (x86-64) architectures, except Windows Vista Starter which will only be available for 32-bit architectures. A partial table of the features planned for each edition is also available at Paul Thurrott's SuperSite for Windows[41].
Windows Vista Starter
xxBURT0Nxx
May 5, 12:28 AM
initial backup over wifi (required) then future incremental (smaller) backups could be over 3G. the iPhone already tells you when an app is to large to update w/o wifi - it's already been training us about what we can and can't do w/o wifi.
who determines what qualify as future incremental backups? What if I do my initial (required) backup over wifi, then add 5gb of photos? Don't think the wireless carriers are going to go for that.
But that's besides the point... i was referring to apple giving everyone free cloud storage.
As of January this year, over 160 million iDevices have been sold. Consider maybe an average of 20gb per device and apple is looking to give out 3.2 billion GB of cloud storage to it's customers. Something tells me this is not going to happen. You think they want to let everyone back up their 64gb iPod touches to the cloud. You think apple or att/verizon is going to be ok with people backing up their 32gb iPhones to the cloud? No way, not a chance...
who determines what qualify as future incremental backups? What if I do my initial (required) backup over wifi, then add 5gb of photos? Don't think the wireless carriers are going to go for that.
But that's besides the point... i was referring to apple giving everyone free cloud storage.
As of January this year, over 160 million iDevices have been sold. Consider maybe an average of 20gb per device and apple is looking to give out 3.2 billion GB of cloud storage to it's customers. Something tells me this is not going to happen. You think they want to let everyone back up their 64gb iPod touches to the cloud. You think apple or att/verizon is going to be ok with people backing up their 32gb iPhones to the cloud? No way, not a chance...
Shake 'n' Bake
Mar 7, 06:01 PM
The capital region got a bit of ice last night. It was heavy enough to take down a tree about a mile from my house, and of course the power went out. So we came to a hotel for the night. This was taken about 100 yards down the road from the hotel.
bousozoku
Sep 22, 04:05 PM
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They seem to go after just about every niche there is. Just look at the latest news of selling generic prescription drugs for $4 for a 30 day supply. It looks again to be a hook to get people into their stores. They say it covers 300 different drugs, but in reality it is only 124 medicines but in a variety of doses. So they may end up with 12 out of those 300 being different versions of amoxicillin. Some popular drugs aren't included, like Zocor. But all the gullible masses will see is $4 PRESCRIPTIONS!!
There is also a lot of information at wallmartwatch.com.
If it causes other pharmacies to lower prices, all the better. If it causes the big name pharmaceutical labs to lower prices, that's even better. Why should people in the U.S.A. pay the majority of the cost of medication?
This is one instance where Wal-Mart isn't really hurting people, unlike the government.
They seem to go after just about every niche there is. Just look at the latest news of selling generic prescription drugs for $4 for a 30 day supply. It looks again to be a hook to get people into their stores. They say it covers 300 different drugs, but in reality it is only 124 medicines but in a variety of doses. So they may end up with 12 out of those 300 being different versions of amoxicillin. Some popular drugs aren't included, like Zocor. But all the gullible masses will see is $4 PRESCRIPTIONS!!
There is also a lot of information at wallmartwatch.com.
If it causes other pharmacies to lower prices, all the better. If it causes the big name pharmaceutical labs to lower prices, that's even better. Why should people in the U.S.A. pay the majority of the cost of medication?
This is one instance where Wal-Mart isn't really hurting people, unlike the government.
azentropy
Apr 14, 11:26 AM
The security-through-obscurity myth of OS X has long been debunked. Do you know what the most used computer OS in the world is? Linux. And there are very, very few viruses for linux.
The rampant virus ecosystem is a flaw in Windows, not an inherent fact of all operating systems.
Macs have a decent market share and a very large mindshare, but yet are still virus free (though there have been a couple trojans that fizzled out).
+1
From reading these and other forums for years we know how many Mac/Apple haters there are out there. Don't you think if they could create viruses etc. for Macs to make them look bad they would!!!???
The rampant virus ecosystem is a flaw in Windows, not an inherent fact of all operating systems.
Macs have a decent market share and a very large mindshare, but yet are still virus free (though there have been a couple trojans that fizzled out).
+1
From reading these and other forums for years we know how many Mac/Apple haters there are out there. Don't you think if they could create viruses etc. for Macs to make them look bad they would!!!???
partyBoy
Oct 6, 05:12 AM
News update:: Halo sucks...Borderlands is a much better game ;)
rand0m3r
Nov 8, 06:16 AM
just wondering, what is it in the US (like where all this is happening).
Arclite
Jul 22, 11:05 PM
Although I would love this idea (I'm an avid eBook reader), I've got a major project for next year in school that hinges on there being no majorly popular online eBook retailer.
KnightWRX
Apr 17, 08:03 AM
I speak with facts. Hardware is facts.
Except you've brought no facts to life. I'm still waiting on that citation that proves Apple uses ASUS boards...
Except you've brought no facts to life. I'm still waiting on that citation that proves Apple uses ASUS boards...
slinger1968
Aug 30, 10:36 PM
Back on topic...
I don't know why people are going on and on about the $400 price for Windows Vista Ultimate version. That's a retail price, just like the $300 retail price for windows XP. Only an idiot would buy a retail version of windows when you can get the same full install (not an upgrade) oem version for a fraction of that price.
A retail version of Windows XP professional SP2 is $300 at compUSA and the OEM of XP pro SP2 is $130 at my local PC parts store.
Retail pricing isn't even worth discussing unless Microsoft decides to end oem sales of windows.
I don't know why people are going on and on about the $400 price for Windows Vista Ultimate version. That's a retail price, just like the $300 retail price for windows XP. Only an idiot would buy a retail version of windows when you can get the same full install (not an upgrade) oem version for a fraction of that price.
A retail version of Windows XP professional SP2 is $300 at compUSA and the OEM of XP pro SP2 is $130 at my local PC parts store.
Retail pricing isn't even worth discussing unless Microsoft decides to end oem sales of windows.
Warbrain
Nov 7, 06:55 AM
the 12" PB had a full sized keyboard...and I'm holding on to my 1.33 version till a 12" MBP shows up.
You'll be waiting for a while!
You'll be waiting for a while!
j-traxx
Mar 11, 04:10 PM
I just bought a Macbook Pro literally 5 minutes ago. I've been waiting for months and I finally gave up. After the order was completed, I thought I'd check macrumors just for laughs and the first thing I saw was, "new macbook pros tomorrow?" :(
lol! sucks... or maybe you have an awesome machine one the way anyway. i bought my macbook pro right before they did the 2.53 refurbs to make way for the sd cardslot mbp's. those could handle 8 gig of mem and mine is a 2.4 with 4gb max. all they sold those for just 1500 bucks and i bought mine for 1800. i was a month and 6 days out of the price guarantee threshhold. i wanted to die...... but then i realized my mac is a monster in it's own right and im enjoying the heck out of it and will continue to do so for the next 7 or 8 years. ..... still sucks tho.
lol! sucks... or maybe you have an awesome machine one the way anyway. i bought my macbook pro right before they did the 2.53 refurbs to make way for the sd cardslot mbp's. those could handle 8 gig of mem and mine is a 2.4 with 4gb max. all they sold those for just 1500 bucks and i bought mine for 1800. i was a month and 6 days out of the price guarantee threshhold. i wanted to die...... but then i realized my mac is a monster in it's own right and im enjoying the heck out of it and will continue to do so for the next 7 or 8 years. ..... still sucks tho.